Forum Index Page   After Seppuku > The Village > the Tea House
Thoughtful (and not so thoughtful) discussions of most any genre.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools

Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-12-2006, 08:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
Noodles

 
Total Reputation: 30423 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 94
 
LORD OF PASTA!!!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The land of cheese
Noodles is a powerful presence in our world!!
My Mood:
Default Limbo is in Limbo

The Pope may be about to abolish the notion of limbo, the halfway house between heaven and hell, inhabited by unbaptised infants. Is it really that simple?

Pope Benedict XVI's anticipated pronouncement on limbo will have been informed by the International Theological Commission - a group of leading Roman Catholic theologians who have been meeting to consider the issue.

The Pope, himself, has been quoted in the past as saying that he would let the idea of limbo "drop, since it has always been only a theological hypothesis".

He was quoted as saying that limbo has never been a "definitive truth of the faith".

So what is limbo?

According to the BBC's Religion and Ethics site the church held that before the 13th Century, all unbaptised people, including new born babies who died, would go to hell. This was because original sin - the punishment that God inflicted on humanity because of Adam and Eve's disobedience - had not been cleansed by baptism.

This idea however was criticised by Peter Abelard, a French scholastic philosophiser, who said that babies who had no personal sin didn't even deserve punishment.

It was Abelard who introduced the idea of limbo. The word comes from the Latin "limbus", meaning the edge. This would be a state of existence where unbaptised babies, and those unfortunate enough to have been born before Jesus, would not experience pain but neither would they experience the Beatific Vision of God.

Pope Benedict was quoted as saying he would let limbo drop, while he was a cardinal
But limbo has long been a problem for the Church. Unease has remained over reconciling a Loving God with one who sent babies to limbo and the Church has faced much criticism.

The current review of limbo began in 2004, when Pope John Paul II asked the commission to come up with "a more coherent and enlightened way" of describing the fate of such innocent babes.

This review is part of a wider re-examination of the notion of salvation that has been taking place within the Church.

Many Catholics would see the abandonment of limbo as a good thing - there is little doubt that some interpretations of the teaching may have caused untold misery to the millions of parents whose children have died without being baptised.

But there are those who argue that it is not simply a "hypothesis" that can just be swept aside; that the notion that unbaptised children do not go to heaven has been a fundamental part of Church teaching for hundreds of years.

Then, of course, there is the argument that if this can be abolished, what else is disposable?

Not popular

According to church historian Michael Walsh limbo is so unpopular it has all but dropped out of Catholic consciousness.

It has not really been standard teaching for decades and it has not been part of official teaching since the early 1990s, when it was omitted from the catechism - the Church's summary of religious doctrine.


A papal decree reversing the firm Catholic belief of two millennia that infants dying unbaptised do not go to heaven would be like an earthquake in the structure of Catholic theology and belief
Father Brian Harrison
"Most priests don't talk about the notion of limbo anymore. There is a understanding that it just simply doesn't wash with people," says Mr Walsh.

But, there are a number of conservative and traditionally minded Catholics who say they are shocked by the notion of getting rid of limbo.

Father Brian Harrison, a theologian, told the BBC News website that while limbo may have been a "hypothesis", he argues that the clear "doctrine of the Catholic Church for two millennia has been that wherever the souls of such infants do go, they definitely don't go to heaven".

He argues that this is borne out in the various funeral rites for unbaptised children practised by the Church.

"A papal decree reversing the firm Catholic belief of two millennia that infants dying unbaptised do not go to heaven would be like an earthquake in the structure of Catholic theology and belief," he said.

Some argue that the question of limbo has taken on fresh urgency because it could be hindering the Church's conversion of Africa and Asia, where infant mortality rates are high.

An article in the UK's Times newspaper this week suggested that the "Pope - an acknowledged authority on all things Islamic - is only too aware that Muslims believe the souls of stillborn babies go straight to heaven".

The theological commission ends its deliberations on Friday. Most commentators believe the Pope will not make any decision immediately. Until he does, the fate of limbo is in - well, limbo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5406552.stm


I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so............


Moving At 33 RPM In An iPod World
Noodles is offline This member is the original thread starter.   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links


Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-12-2006, 08:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
G_Man



 
Total Reputation: 54234 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 146
 
Seek Balance
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Likely tripping over myself
G_Man is a God among mere mortal posters!!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo




Religions crack me up!!!!
G_Man is offline   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-13-2006, 08:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
Sp00k

 
Total Reputation: 41530 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 121
 
GrandMaster Poster ++
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Secreted in the shadows
Sp00k has a reputation beyond repute!!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo

I can't make my mind up on that at all.

What about limbo dancers?




Knowledge Talks, Wisdom Listens.


Sp00k is offline   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-13-2006, 09:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
Noodles

 
Total Reputation: 30423 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 94
 
LORD OF PASTA!!!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The land of cheese
Noodles is a powerful presence in our world!!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo

They are always in limbo.


I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so............


Moving At 33 RPM In An iPod World
Noodles is offline This member is the original thread starter.   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-13-2006, 01:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
Dragoness_Cutie

 
Total Reputation: 14089 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 64
 
Dragoness Warrior
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In my lair; it's dark and it WAS quiet 'til you got here, so leave me the fuck alone!
Dragoness_Cutie is a splendid one to behold!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo

Quoting: G_Man View Post



Religions crack me up!!!!
What he said!


Dragoness_Cutie - Proud Mod of AfterSeppuku!
Quoting: wisecat
grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence until you get over there and fall in a hole

Dragoness_Cutie is offline   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-13-2006, 01:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
Noodles

 
Total Reputation: 30423 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 94
 
LORD OF PASTA!!!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The land of cheese
Noodles is a powerful presence in our world!!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo

I swear the pope would get better decisions using a Magic 8 Ball.


I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so............


Moving At 33 RPM In An iPod World
Noodles is offline This member is the original thread starter.   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-24-2006, 09:01 PM   #7 (permalink)
Godfather


 
Total Reputation: 8971 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 52
 
Golden Poster +
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rainy Vancouver or Windy Victoria
Godfather is a splendid one to behold!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo

There's a lota people who kinda just 'make up' what they dono....

Urchs me when religion seems to do the same....
http://www.afterseppuku.com/gallery/files/2/09fb9c236528efa1afc51f2a590346.gif
Modus Vivendi
Godfather is offline   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-24-2006, 09:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
Lisey


 
Total Reputation: 16137 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 60
 
F Girl Hall of Famer
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: in a van down by the river
Lisey is a name known to all!!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo

well that's great they stopped teaching it in the 90's...unfortunately I was taught in the late 80's. Don't you just love how they used to tell little kids this crap? I was 8...I remember feeling so confused as to why God would allow it to happen.
Lisey is offline   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-24-2006, 09:12 PM   #9 (permalink)
Godfather


 
Total Reputation: 8971 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 52
 
Golden Poster +
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rainy Vancouver or Windy Victoria
Godfather is a splendid one to behold!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo

i hear yah... someone close to me and a staple of my home community killed himself over the weekend and took everyone by total suprise; it's hard knowing what the catholic church says on suicide... then again, if everyone just believed about God what they wanted to, it'd be even more difficult to respect if ya ask me.
http://www.afterseppuku.com/gallery/files/2/09fb9c236528efa1afc51f2a590346.gif
Modus Vivendi
Godfather is offline   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-24-2006, 09:19 PM   #10 (permalink)
jedi

 
Total Reputation: 99 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 0
 
Sterling Poster +
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Nebraska - Heartland of America!
jedi will become famous soon enough.
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo

Quoting: Noodles View Post
I swear the pope would get better decisions using a Magic 8 Ball.
you mean he's not?!?
"I find the most errotic part of the woman is the boobies." - Zap Brannigan
jedi is offline   Reply With Quote

Re: Limbo is in Limbo
Old 10-24-2006, 09:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
Noodles

 
Total Reputation: 30423 >>>>> Effect when giving Reputation: 94
 
LORD OF PASTA!!!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The land of cheese
Noodles is a powerful presence in our world!!
My Mood:
Default Re: Limbo is in Limbo



I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so............


Moving At 33 RPM In An iPod World
Noodles is offline This member is the original thread starter.   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools

Posting Rules



All times are GMT -8. 06:01 PM.

vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73