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Old 10-13-2006, 05:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Alright, first off there is to be no bashing other people's beliefs in this thread. I understand that this is a touchy subject, but let's keep it civil. Failure to do so will have serious repercussions. Anyone found bashing someone else's system of beliefs will receive enough infractions to knock you back down to a peasant's ranking. You have been sufficiently warned.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way...

What are your beliefs? Do you follow an organized religion? If so, what, and to what extent? What do you think happens to "us" (read, that part that defines you as you, not necessarily your mortal shell/body) once this life is over? What made you believe the way you do?


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Old 10-13-2006, 05:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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And to attempt to answer my own questions...

I do not follow any organized religion. But if you want to try to categorize my spirituality, I would fall under Pagan. If you know anything about classification within Paganism, I am considered an "Eclectic Solitary Animist". Which boils down to...

Eclectic - do not follow the rules of any one style of worship, but pick and chose those that feel right to oneself instead
Solitary - does not operate within a coven, but by oneself
Animist - someone who believes that the world is made up of spirits, and that every living creature (including plants and the earth itself) has a spirit.

I'm now going to copy and paste some things I explained in one of GF's threads once upon a time... much easier than retyping!


I've studied different religions from around the world for about half of my life now, trying to find what sounded right to me. And as it turns out, I've established that no one religion does. This is why I've taken bits and pieces from different ones until I found something that seemed right to me. Of course, I might learn something tomorrow that changes that a little. To me, it's all a learning process.

I have my own beliefs; they just don't involve an omnipotent, omnipresent being. To me, that concept just doesn't seem plausible (at least in the here and now... maybe that was once the case, but I'll explain more later). I believe that everything has a spirit.

I also believe that we are here for a purpose... to learn something. And when we have learned what we were sent here to learn, we will move on to a higher state of being. If we don't get it all right in this life, we will be reborn until we have fulfilled our purpose. Part of that belief is also that we came to earth broken... that there are others that have the same purpose as us, and that they are a part of us. That person (or persons) has been sent here to learn the same things as us. And once we find them, what we have learned is united, making it far easier for us to ascend as one than it would be to do so separately. When we ascend to that higher state, what we have learned is joined with those that ascended before us.

I'm sure that just sounds like a lot of hullabaloo and mystic bullshit to anyone who doesn't see things quite the way I do, but that's what I believe. And love, to me, happens when you find your soul mate... when that other part of your soul is found and you connect.

Now here's where I tie into the entire "God" concept mentioned at the beginning... to me, this all-powerful, all-knowing, all-seeing being does not exist. Now as to the why: I think that perhaps this being did at one point exist... maybe even created everything that we now know as our universe, but I don't think that s/he still does. Why? Because life is present. In my belief, the souls/spirits that I have mentioned are basically a shattered consciousness of what may have once been a God-like being.



Alrighty... if you've made it this far... well done!

I believe that sums up all but the last question I asked of y'all, so here's that answer too. I came to believe this way over several years of study. I was born and raised as a Southern Baptist, but I cannot truly recall ever believing what I was told in Sunday school or in sermon. Nor did I get much out of the Holy Bible itself (yes, I attempted to read it... several times. Never read the entire thing, but I've read fair patches of it, I would imagine).

When I was about twelve years old, I gave up trying to believe the way I was told I should. It didn't fit for me, nor did it make sense. And that’s when I started researching other religions. Along the way I picked up tidbits from here and there, and incorporated them… I took those things that echoed in my heart to be true, and kept them.


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Old 10-13-2006, 09:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Here is what I expressed in the thread that got you going down this road so that all the views of members are in one thread.
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I don't know what I am now. I have not been to a temple in 18 years. My wife is Catholic. I do believe in a greater force and respect it. I just don't feel it should be pidgeon holed.
I find your beliefs to be very interesting and I have also chosen an individual path.


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Old 10-14-2006, 10:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Not sure why this thread is not getting some action. However I found this nifty philosophy by Einstein.
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."


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Old 10-15-2006, 07:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I do not belong to any organized religion. I actually have quite a cynical view of organized religion at the moment. Everything is so black and white (because it all comes from the word of an unquestionable higher authority) and it seems to obvious that the organization's #1 priority is the extermination of "competing" religions either through "spreading the word" or by outright war.

I don't know if that's the result of growing up a Southern Baptist or watching my brother in-laws convert to Mormonism. Probably both. What kind of religion tells you that your own mother can't attend your wedding?

Ok, sorry, that was a minor bash, but true. My mother in law (actually pretty much my wife's entire immediate family) could not attend her son's wedding because it was performed at the local Temple.

Not to say I'm atheist. I'm not. The universe had to come from somewhere. (yeah yeah, Big Bang. But where'd it come from? Who flicked that ball of quantum energy to start it moving?)

Something's out there. I just believe I'm not smart enough to understand what it is.


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Not to say I'm atheist. I'm not. The universe had to come from somewhere. (yeah yeah, Big Bang. But where'd it come from? Who flicked that ball of quantum energy to start it moving?)
Ha... similar to what I believe, Wy. Big Bang, but an entity... something pure energy, that caused it, and thus giving everything the spark of life, etc. Meh... this is probably something I should attempt to explain when I'm a little more awake...


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Old 10-16-2006, 07:47 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I believe kevin smith put it very nicely in dogma:

I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant.

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Old 10-16-2006, 10:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I believe kevin smith put it very nicely in dogma:

I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant.

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Old 10-16-2006, 12:16 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Very nice quote, Vamp


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Old 10-17-2006, 08:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Lapsed Catholic - It's an ethnic thing. However, my views on faith, morality and organized religion would take hours to explore. If anyone remembers my tet a tet's with Tucker/Gregfoolio, you might know where I'm coming from.

More or less, it comes down to this - the very essence of spirituality is the ability to feel, as an individual, connected to a greater commonality - a universal spirit. The problem I have with most organized religions is they tend to 'light a pathway' for you to find spirituality. The guide itself isn't so much a guide but a chaperone or armed escort.




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Old 10-19-2006, 08:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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As a Christain I will Pray with anyone Praying to God and I will Pray For anyone. I Attend a United Methodist Church, where I Sing, Work with the Youth and Sometime Teach Sunday school- I have done that in the past few months. During the Summer I like to Volunteer a week at a Church Camp. I Believe that Prayer makes a difference and if Anyone needs Prayer for them, family or Friend for what ever reason then please ask, I will pray for that person/persons and the problem/sickness/praise.
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Like Newsome, I am a Christian and a member of the United Methodist Church. Having been raised Methodist and then visiting different denominations, it was an easy decision to remain Methodist. I think in many churches they get too engrossed in the "doctrine" and forget that we are to be a loving, caring, forgiving people. John 3:16 For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (but many forget the verse that follows which is just as important) John 3:17 God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it.

In my religion all that is truely required of me is Faith. I am expected to try to live my life following God's teachings of love and to follow His commandments: however my religion is not a rule book that if I break one rule I am going to burn in Hell that is where Grace comes in. No one is perfect--never has been and never will be and God is all too aware of that. I am forgiven when I screw up and that is the greatest comfort. My religion is based on Love and I am to love everyone no matter what faith they have--or lack there of. I am not to judge lest I be judged. I don't handle snakes or bash gays, or think that if a person has a drink he will burn in Hell. My faith is bigger than that...you cannot bog it down like that. It is a peace that surpasses all understanding.
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Old 10-24-2006, 05:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm Roman Catholic and practicing, but somehow still question my faith more than I know I should.

Admitting it to myself is difficult, but sometimes I think the answer to our existance is scientific

It's equally difficult for me to believe that we are all the result of billions of random events starting with a 'big bang' as it is to believe we all came from a greater creator.

I pray every night, go to church, and when friends invite me to their churches for the occational bible study I always go. Im not what a lot of people see as the typical religious youth... going to camps and singing rock christian music. Like my family Im conservative about it, and dont preach to others unless they are really looking for the conversation. I still believe in God and the bible, but sometimes I find myself very distant from it all.
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